PS3 Load Times Will Be Slow (Very Slow)
03 Sep
Posted by Darren Stevens as PlayStation 3, Software, Technology, Xbox 360
In a recent post, Microsoft blogger Ozymandias continues his rant against Sony, PS3, and the Blu-ray drive. This time though, he’s got a good point when he mentions that load times are faster on a 360, since Sony is using a 2x speed BD drive, working at 9 MB/second. The Xbox360 uses a 12x DVD drive, where transfer speeds are at 16 MB/second. Even the PS3 DVD reader is faster than the Blu-ray.
Now imagine Resistance: Fall of Man, taking up a massive 22 GB, what sort of loading times can we expect? If there’s one thing Sony hasn’t openly talked about regarding the PS3, it’s the loading times.
Tags: PlayStation 3, Software, Technology, Xbox 360
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108 Responses
Matthew Davis
September 4th, 2006 at 12:20 am
1You seem to be forgetting that the PS3 has a hard drive standard. So devs will be able to cache. We saw how effective this was during E3 with the GTHD presentation when there were next to no loading times. The 360 on the other hand does not have the hard drive standard on all consoles, thus cacheing is not a universal option.
Toller
September 4th, 2006 at 12:33 am
2Good point Matthew, but you still have to load stuff over to the hard drive. 22 GB at 9MB/second would take hours and hours.
And eventually you WILL need the entire 22 GB in order to play the game, so hours of your time will be lost on loading.
Gh3tt0 Child
September 4th, 2006 at 1:25 am
3the first xbox loaded all the games before to decrease loading times so maybe the ps3 will do that
Lemond
September 4th, 2006 at 3:02 am
4Even with all Sony’s “mistakes” with the PS3, I highly doubt the loading times will be too much of an issue. I’ll be surprised if it will take very much longer than PS2.
Having said that, I have no idea how they will pull it off since 9 MB per second does sound awfully slow.
John frew
September 4th, 2006 at 3:21 am
5The PS3 HD would be eaten alive trying to cache the storage capacity of a couple of BDs… caching will help, but only a very little.
What the PS3 needs is an on screen border, with flickery lines… this used to make me feel better in the old 8 bit days, while waiting for a game to load.
Zac
September 4th, 2006 at 4:18 am
6What the PS3 needs is an on screen border, with flickery lines… this used to make me feel better in the old 8 bit days, while waiting for a game to load.
hehe. even the 8-bit days had fast load times.
david
September 4th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
7the GT HD video loaded a 1080p track and vehicles in about 2 seconds…
Zac
September 4th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
8“the GT HD video loaded a 1080p track and vehicles in about 2 seconds…”
is it that quick when it’s actually on the hardware?
Shaka
September 4th, 2006 at 9:16 pm
9This is totally false but i aint even going to comment on this its not worth it ,just let the time speak for him self when the PS3 launches.
‘ ‘ the GT HD video loaded a 1080p track and vehicles in about 2 seconds…’ ‘
ONWED!!! nuff said.
Zac
September 5th, 2006 at 12:52 am
10onwed? yeah good one. looks like you got a bit owned there.
“i aint even going to comment on this its not worth it ”
wait a second…. you DID comment.
for one they couldn’t have run the GT on the REAL hardware, since it wasn’t available at the time. it would have been the dev-kit or something, and guess what? it would have been running off the hard-drive, precached. they’re not going to load it in front of an audience, having them wait, they’d set it up so it’s pretty much instant for the sake of the presentation.
enough said
Shaka
September 5th, 2006 at 7:34 am
11This is just internet hype so people hate Sony alot we all know this now.
for example this 6 minute video of WWE SMvs.Raw taking 5 minutes to load a match is full of crap i have both versions of the game in PS2 and PSP and the PSP loads alot faster thats a fact.
so this is why i say there is no reason to comment here since its all false and nothing but bullcrap.
and coming from a blogger from microsoft i wasnt espceting lesss ,though if u told me its coming from a blogger from joystiq i wouldnt be impressed iether since there all are anti-sony and nintendo fanboys anyways.
John frew
September 5th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
12so this is why i say there is no reason to comment here since its all false and nothing but bullcrap.
Haha, so why did you coment then… ah fan boys, you gotta love em.
Shaka
September 5th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
13Gotta speak the facts and dont let people get fooled over this one.
KJ
September 5th, 2006 at 11:04 pm
14There are no facts until we get the machine in our hands.
Chris
September 5th, 2006 at 11:18 pm
15It’s getting harder to keep up with the FUD, but I shall say this, the 360 will not load faster than the PS3. The rate at which the 360 reads DVD’s is variable, meaning that on occasions it IS faster but Blu-Ray also has the advantage of using the standard HHD within the PS3 for caching.
Devs may also use a technique called, level block parapointers which may in some cases aid both the 360’s and PS3’s load times. Overall, they’ll both load games at roughly the same pace.
Just wait and you shall see, when the Playstation 3 is released all will be revealed.
Lemond
September 5th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
16How much of the HD will the caching use? What happens when the drive is full?
Chris
September 6th, 2006 at 1:41 am
17It’s very obvious that only a certain part of the HDD is going to be used for caching and temporarily at that. Common logic here folks. Sony aren’t going to allow the whole HDD to be used for caching, rendering the HDD itself totally useless.
Stef
September 6th, 2006 at 6:07 am
18Microsoft blogger Ozymandias is posting a distorted truth.
People see 12x and assume that the 360 reads discs at that speed constantly, which is false. The 12x is a peak speed which is gained on the outermost edge of the disc (about 15% area) because it is a Constant Angular Velocity drive. The inner most area of the disc is where the drive effectively drops to 5x. Secondly, the drive reads dual layer dics even slower, a peak speed of 8x at the extreme edge, and a speed of 3.3x for the inner ring.
5x to 12x (6.25 to 15 MB/s) Single Layer
3.3x to 8x (4.125 to 10 MB/s) Dual Layer
The 2X Blu-ray drive (Constant Linear Velocity - 9MB/s, single or dual layer, anywhere on the disc) is faster than the 360 when the 360 is using a dual layer disc. Most games are dual layer.
-360 is faster with single layer discs (DVD5)
-PS3 (BD25) is faster compared to a Dual Layer (DVD9) on the 360
Shaka
September 6th, 2006 at 8:35 am
19‘ ‘ There are no facts until we get the machine in our hands. ‘ ‘
True thats what i been trying to say all along.
now its up to the game devs to see how they work the load times for games , there MC3 which in PSP loads real slow then theres daxter which loads lighting fast.
its not Sony’s of PS3’s fault if the load times are good or bad its up to the game devs.
now talking about load times anyone here played oblivion for xbox 360 if you have you will know it has the most pathetic laod times i have seen in my life easily more then 30 seconds waiting its horrible.
and thats another fact. so the xbox 360 having faster laoad times after playing oblivion is like i said nothing but bullcrap.
FIGHTER
September 7th, 2006 at 1:12 am
20MY CONSOLE CAN BEAT UP YOUR CONSOLE
Zac
September 7th, 2006 at 6:18 am
21“MY CONSOLE CAN BEAT UP YOUR CONSOLE”
no mine is much stronger than yours, mine wins
Shaka
September 7th, 2006 at 8:44 am
22The PS3 is the best.
James
September 7th, 2006 at 9:07 am
23I’ve recently bought a PS2-Slim. It’s also the first console i’ve ever bought.
I’ve always liked Playstation ever since my friend invited me over to join him 1 on 1.
When the XBox came out, i wasn’t too excited. But there will always be those that like one system over another.
Another factor in my liking of the Playstation is quality. Japanese systems are known for quality, dependability and overall fun.
I hope they keep true to there word in the long run.
Shaka
September 7th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
24Yeah pretty much Playstation has been the only video game console that has sold over 100 million consoles world wide in gaming history.
The world of entertainment has evolved. It’s not just about movies,musik and gaming anymore. It’s about pure entertainment It’s about convergence of multi entertainment outlets into a single source…PlayStation.
PlayStation offers something for everyone. With more games and dynamic products that defy conventional gaming. The innovative EyeToy breaks into the social mainstream, offering the ultimate party in gaming experience by literally making you the star of the game. Online gaming continues to expand the realm of entertainment featuring breath-taking experiences and the unpredictable of live competition.
You are not inhibited by the boundaries of the real world. PlayStation is interactive entertainment. bringing your imagination to life with a universe of provocative,stimulating, and invigorating experiencies. It’s more then just gameplay, it’s an escape to a world full of exciment, intrigue,adventure, and action.
i play all i own gamecube,xbox and PS2. but without a doubt PlayStaion always offers the best.
Toller
September 7th, 2006 at 10:03 pm
25Shaka you Sony fanboy. relax man
and btw, the GameBoy has sold over 100 million consoles, just so you know.
Da Madd Gamer
September 7th, 2006 at 11:07 pm
26Well said, Shaka. Now what article did you copy that from?
Zac
September 8th, 2006 at 2:17 am
27Yeah pretty much, Nintendo DS reached 5 million units sold in less than 13 months after its launch, which marks the fastest-ever pace for a video game system in Japan.
The world of entertainment has evolved. It’s not just about movies,music and graphics anymore. It’s about pure entertainment It’s about convergence of multi entertainment outlets into a single source…DS.
DS offers something for everyone. With more games and dynamic products that defy conventional gaming. The innovative Touch Screen breaks into the social mainstream, offering the ultimate party in gaming experience. Free online gaming continues to expand the realm of entertainment featuring breath-taking experiences and the unpredictable of live competition.
You are not inhibited by the boundaries of the real world. DS is interactive entertainment, bringing your imagination to life with a universe of provocative,stimulating, and invigorating experiencies. It’s more then just gameplay, it’s an escape to a world full of exciment, intrigue,adventure, and action.
Shaka
September 8th, 2006 at 2:36 am
28‘ ‘ GameBoy has sold over 100 million consoles, just so you know. ‘ ‘
even though the gameboy had zero competition man it was a monolopy for nintendo.
and the PS2 sold 106 millionand counting in 6 years even when it had good competition from Sega,xbox and game cube.
‘ ‘ Well said, Shaka. Now what article did you copy that from? ‘ ‘
hehehe i didnt copy this from anything its my wise words that come out fo my head everything i think of the greatest of the PlayStation.
–hehehe Zac thats clever but the n-ds is weak you gotta pay to browse the web the 2nd touch screen in only used for useless crap like maping ect. and it has really kiddie and boring games.
Shaka
September 8th, 2006 at 2:39 am
29yeah and hand held is kool with monolopy but any ‘ ‘ HOME GAME CONSOLES ‘ ‘ made by atari,microsoft,sega or nintendo that has ever sold over 100 million world wide ??? only Sony PSOne and Sony PS2 hold the crown beacuase they are the greatest consoles of all time.
Zac
September 8th, 2006 at 2:42 am
30“even though the gameboy had zero competition man it was a monolopy for nintendo” - it had competition from sega and other companies. what was the gamegear?
“hehehe Zac thats clever”
thanks
“gotta pay to browse the web”
do you mean browse, or play online?
“the 2nd touch screen in only used for useless crap like maping ect. and it has really kiddie and boring games.”
no way it’s great.
i could say the same thing for Eyetoy, but you think that’s great.
Zac
September 8th, 2006 at 3:11 am
31ok you didn’t make it clear you were talking ONLY about ‘home game consoles’
the arn’t the greatest consoles of all time. who are you to say such a thing? based on personal experience and sales (which is mostly because of the huge amount of advertising sony is able to afford).
it’s the “greatest ever console” to YOU. opinions vary.
Shaka
September 8th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
32‘ ‘ “ it had competition from sega and other companies. what was the gamegear? ‘ ‘
the game gear was crap i have one and i cant even be considered a hand held ,the damn thing is huge like a mega brick is uses 6 AA bateries ‘ ‘6 ‘ ‘!!! and the thing drains the energy like hell,the only way i could finish games on the game gear is to play them at my house with an ac adapter on it, and the system quickly died anyways.
‘ ‘ “do you mean browse, or play online? ‘ ‘
1.you gotta pay 20$ to browse the internet, when PSP is free and comes right out of the box.
2.n-ds online only supports 4 players ,when games like Socom and Syphon Filer on PSP support up to 16!!
Theres 2 reasons why i would choose a PSP over a n-ds.
‘ ‘i could say the same thing for Eyetoy, but you think that’s great. ‘ ‘
the EyeToy is mega awesome and also is Guitar Hero which you can only play on PS2.
‘ ‘ it’s the “greatest ever console
grandmarquee1
September 10th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
33Wii will Wii Wii on your console Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii…
I do not support fanboyism!
Zac
September 11th, 2006 at 2:41 am
34“the game gear was crap i have one and i cant even be considered a hand held”
idiot. it’s competition if it’s in the same market. not whether YOU think it’s worthy or not.
“when PSP is free and comes right out of the box.”
at a more expensive cost overall.
your arguments dont’ make sence.
“playstation is better and proof because it’s more popular”
“DS isn’t better, but psp is better even though it’s not popular”
inconsistant
“the EyeToy is mega awesome and also is Guitar Hero which you can only play on PS2.”
opinion. opinion. can’t you state one fact that isn’t your own close minded fanboy opinion? i could insert here all the interesting and awesome and fun DS games here as an example, but i’d rather not sound as if i work for the company like you.
“It’s just not my opinion its the people’s opinion who bought the system beacuase they dont want the cheapest they want the best.”
your opinion isn’t wanted if it’s uninsightful and predictable ie. “the thing i like is best, full stop”
they don’t want the cheapest, they want the best? do all ps owners also own ferraris and porches? do they only buy the most expensive pizza from the shop? do they pay that extra money for the clothing with the logo on it?
sometimes, if not all the time, there is a cheaper alternative. and cheaper because why? not because it’s of lesser quality; but because it doesn’t have the extra crap that isn’t needed. we can all live in clothes without “extra features to the extent that we don’t use them”. and we can all GAME without all this extra crap.
Shaka
September 11th, 2006 at 4:40 am
35wii is a really bad and patethic name for a gaming console.
Fact!
Zac
September 11th, 2006 at 6:53 am
36Shaka’s version of fact = his opinion.
At least they don’t recycle the same name over and over again.
Shaka
September 12th, 2006 at 6:13 am
37PlayStation 3 name totally rocks it makes perfect sence. its the third generation of the best gaming console the world has ever seen.
no other brand has come even close to the success of the PSX and PS2.
now does the xbox 360 name makes sence ?? 360 for what ?? 360 degress last time i check the console isnt in any circular shape tomake sence to the xbox 360 name. bad.
wii well this is the most patethic name for a gaming console ever in history. we can all agree on this one. the name just sucks hard.
Zac
September 12th, 2006 at 7:39 am
38Shaka, go to http://www.dictionary.com and look up the definition of “opinion”
then take into account that YOUR “opinion” is different than OTHER people’s.
“PlayStation 3 name totally rocks” opinion
“best gaming console the world has ever seen” opinion
“wii well this is the most patethic name for a gaming console ever in history” opinion
now “playstation” .. where’s the station? i can’t see any trains! where are the people? i tried to get on the “playstation” but it never took me anywhere.
why’s the word “play” even in there anymore? they should call it the “watch-listen-play-station”
but you know what. a name doesn’t matter. I know a person called james and he’s an idiot. i know another person called james, and he’s great. names don’t matter, it’s what they represent.
Marquee
September 12th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
39Hey Shaka,
the 360 is not called Xbox 360 for it’s shape n00b. It’s called xbox 360 because everything revolves around the 360 button. Whether you turning the console on, shuting it off, adding friends, chatting, checking achievements, whatever it may be it is all done and around the 360 button.
do some research b4 u post.
Matthew Davis
September 12th, 2006 at 1:03 pm
40Actually the ‘360′ refers to the fact that Microsoft is just going around in circles when it comes to gaming. Sorry, couldn’t help myself…
Marquee
September 12th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
41Matthew Davis Says:
“Actually the ‘360′ refers to the fact that Microsoft is just going around in circles when it comes to gaming. Sorry, couldn’t help myself… ”
umm that’s neither a fact nor those it make sense.
Zac
September 12th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
42Yeah that those not make sence.
He was just kidding.
Shaka
September 12th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
43The xbox 360 name is just lame, and its not my opinion zack i told you its the people’s opinion who have bought about 100 millions of this systems and continue to do so.
it was my opinion if i told you the dreamcast is the best console ever ,beacuase nobody bought that.
Zac
September 13th, 2006 at 2:22 am
44you never even said the word opinion when you said that.
and spell the name correctly, it’s right in front of you.
people DID buy the DC, and apparently it was pretty good, and had a great lineup of games. Sega just didn’t market it well.
Shaka
September 13th, 2006 at 4:54 am
45I would rather have Sega and the Dreamcast over the worst system ever the game cube.
only like 15 million game cubes were sold and its not just my opinion ,its the people who dont like to buy crap stuff.
Zac
September 13th, 2006 at 5:04 am
46rofl
mcdonalds food is BAD for you. but it’s popluar.
meanwhile good, better quality food is overlooked for the easy alternative.
same in consoles.
Are you saying that because something is unpopular, it’s bad?
Same thing with music. Popular music sucks.
Other types of music are much better.
it’s just the way things are marketed at the masses.
Nintendo didn’t do a good job at MARKETING the Gamecube. But the console itself, regardless of popularity, is great.
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 6:58 am
47Come on man the game cube sucks is was a total failiture.
now nintendo promise online play with the game cube and totally fail to deliver.
yet another minus i easily find about nintendo but nobody seems to realise or make a big deal out of it.
this is how much nintendo cares about their loyal game cube costumers delay the new zelda ,put it on launch with the system and yeah wanna play the new zelda buy the new system.
and totally forget about the game cube players even the new mario game on the game cube was cancelled.
Zac
September 14th, 2006 at 7:31 am
48“Come on man the game cube sucks is was a total failiture.”
people bought it. people had a lot of fun. no failure.
“now nintendo promise online play with the game cube and totally fail to deliver.”
they did NOT promise. get your facts right
“this is how much nintendo cares about their loyal game cube costumers delay the new zelda ,put it on launch with the system and yeah wanna play the new zelda buy the new system.”
get some facts. it’s being released on BOTH.
“even the new mario game on the game cube was cancelled.”
now you’re making things up
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
49nintendo is the most patethic of of all 3, i thought i never say this but its true.
i rather support microsoft on this one then nintendo, such pricks.
grrrrr.
Zac
September 15th, 2006 at 3:02 am
50Yeah, Nintendo are such pricks.. Releasing an interesting new console at a competative price. Sony could learn a thing or two off them.
Marquee
September 17th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
51Nintendo is going after gameplay, u know that thing that everyone used to judge a game by not how many fragments a barrel can explode to.
whats funny is I love my 360 but, looking forward so much to the Wii, the games seem like there going to be fun.
Shaka
September 17th, 2006 at 11:25 pm
52nintendo wants money on this one, those games arent worth 60$.
that console isnt worth 250$.
no matter how many hype they wanna put out there, they say its wii about bringing people together,we want you to play with your peeps.
we want you to pay an extra 60$ for another controler.
like the system isnt a complete rip off,already you gotta pay yet another 60$.
i know microsoft is evil and the windows monolopy i been hating since they been launching a new one each year (mm ipod,nintendo hand helds anyone)
but in the xbox 360 it seems like they are loosing some cash on it, nitnendo isnt loosing squad. they are making 200$ for each wii sold.
Emerald
September 17th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
53“nintendo wants money on this one, those games arent worth 60$.
that console isnt worth 250$.”
And the PS3 games are worth $60-$100? That’s righ,t they aren’t.
“no matter how many hype they wanna put out there, they say its wii about bringing people together, we want you to play with your peeps.”
“we want you to pay an extra 60$ for another controler.
like the system isnt a complete rip off,already you gotta pay yet another 60$.”
Oh yeah, because the XBox controller is $50, $10 more is SO MUCH MONEY. If Nintendo does teh thing they did in Japan, where a Nunchuck+Wiimote is $50, then that’d be great.
But of course, the technology IS expensive. A primitive motion sensing mounse at newegg is $80, and that’s the CHEAP one. We’re getting a deal with the Wii.
THat’s more than can be said with the PS3.
“i know microsoft is evil and the windows monolopy i been hating since they been launching a new one each year (mm ipod,nintendo hand helds anyone)
but in the xbox 360 it seems like they are loosing some cash on it, nitnendo isnt loosing squad. they are making 200$ for each wii sold.”
Microsoft isn’t any more Evil than another company. They just happen to be good at what they do.
Also, a $200 return a a console is amazing. Almost all companies lose money when they sell consoles, and the Wii is just lslightly cheaper than the GameCube to make, so they really just make amounts of $10-$20.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 2:23 am
54‘ ‘ A primitive motion sensing mounse at newegg is $80 ‘ ‘
mmm if we put it your way.
60$ - game cube + 80$ sensing thing = 160$ !!!
still sounds like a rip off when they charge 250$ for that.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 3:37 am
55“‘mmm if we put it your way.60$ - game cube + 80$ sensing thing = 160$ !!!still sounds like a rip off when they charge 250$ for that. ”
Did you read ANYTHING I typed? The Wii is worth $170. The Wii uses new technology and is a bargin for $250.
The only rip off is the PS3. $600 for a graphics improvement? XD
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 5:27 am
56No its not new technology its 90’s technology.
the PS3 is the only real next gen. console.
Zac
September 18th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
57Shaka, nobody cares what “next gen” is.
And if the Wii is 90’s technology, why wasn’t it out then? Where was this motion sensing console, i certainly don’t remember it. Go give us a link to a website about it.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
58THe only 90’s technology, Shaka, is the PS3’s controler’s motion sensing.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
59The PS3 montion sencing is optinal the other gimmick thing isnt.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 11:18 pm
60It’s optional because the motion sensing sucks on the PS3.
Shaka
September 19th, 2006 at 6:47 am
61No that means the game devs are just limited to put games to move with a gimmick. its better off optinal and still leave room for beautifull 1080p graphics and hot online play.
Emerald
September 19th, 2006 at 2:17 pm
62“No that means the game devs are just limited to put games to move with a gimmick. its better off optinal and still leave room for beautifull 1080p graphics and hot online play.”
shaka, the PS3’s controller is more of a gimmick than the Wiimote is.
The controller is using less advanced technology, not to mention.
“hot online play”? With one game? >_>
That’s really “hot”.
Shaka
September 19th, 2006 at 11:58 pm
63‘ ‘ shaka, the PS3’s controller is more of a gimmick than the Wiimote is.
The controller is using less advanced technology, not to mention. ‘ ‘
Whne you pay 250$ for a thing that wont even play your dvd’s its kinda obvious it needs to have atleast some good technology in it.
90’s tehcnology but improved so he says.
Emerald
September 20th, 2006 at 12:25 am
64YAy, more fanboy rubbish I get to rip to shreds!
Emerald
September 20th, 2006 at 12:36 am
65Anyway, nowthat I can post…
“Oh boy it’s emerald again,trying to justify utilising a kiddy label like nintendo, while being a grown man. (if his claim is correct, that is)
1. Wii has by faaar the weakest processing power.
2. wii has a resolution which is in wide circles, not considered as the upcoming new standard. (e.g. Low)
3. nintendo games are commonly known as a label for children. I do not need to explain this. Nothing wrong with market focus, but do not try to deny this.
4. EEehm what else, oh yeah just dvds instead of sickening new 30 gig titles. Like the granted, awesome looking resistance: fall of man and other next gen rubbish.
5. The new control method, while granted is fresh, but it is also limiting the use of conventional genres.. thus limiting it’s gaming library on the other hand. And be it just those games that everybody wants. (why else would the major blockbusters all got the numbers II till XII in their titles?)”
Okay. But none of those points makesteh fact that the games are any less fun. The fact that I have to point out that better graphics=/=better games is proof that I’m talking to someone deluded.
Anyway, the only point that I can find fault with is number 5. Any genre can work well on the Wii if the developers try.
“Whne you pay 250$ for a thing that wont even play your dvd’s its kinda obvious it needs to have atleast some good technology in it.
90’s tehcnology but improved so he says. ”
1. It can play DVDs, but in order to keep the price down Nintendo’s seperated the cost of royalties into the Remote that you can buy for whtathe royalties would have cost, $30 USD.
2. The only thing with 90’s technology is the EyeToy and PS3.
“I still think the ps controller is the best of all console controllers. And I think I tested all of the min my lifetime.”
Cool, You have an opinion. ^_^
“Hm, using a remote for playing, sounds kinda CD-i”
Except people previewed the CDI controller and said it was crap.
Shaka
September 20th, 2006 at 1:22 am
66Use a Tv remote to play games, whos patethic idea was that talking about running out of ideas, well this is nitnendo you know they havent invented nothing NEW since like the early 90’s just seeing what they can get from Sony.
‘ ‘ PS3’s controller is more of a gimmick than the Wiimote is.
The controller is using less advanced technology, not to mention. ‘ ‘
the PS3 is optional and the wii isnt, the yeah PS3 uses BlueTooth the best tehcnology out there.
Emerald
September 20th, 2006 at 1:38 am
67“Use a Tv remote to play games, whos patethic idea was that talking about running out of ideas, well this is nitnendo you know they havent invented nothing NEW since like the early 90’s just seeing what they can get from Sony.”
SONY stole the motion sensing idea from NINTENDO. While Nintendo has been innovating, Sony’s been doing the same thing. Stop making up lies, shaka.
“the PS3 is optional and the wii isnt, the yeah PS3 uses BlueTooth the best tehcnology out there. ”
So? That doesn’t make that any more less gimmicky. The Wiimote also uses Bluetooth.
Shaka
September 20th, 2006 at 1:56 am
68‘ ‘ SONY stole the motion sensing idea from NINTENDO. While Nintendo has been innovating, Sony’s been doing the same thing. Stop making up lies, shaka. ‘ ‘
nintendo iinovates how ? putting mario to play baseball ? dance ? soocer ? is that what someone can call innovation, more zelda and metroid crap is that innovation ??? NO !
PS3 montion sensing is the idea from the EyeToy which came alot sooner then then wii gimmick.
nitnendo copy the EyeToy just put the same technology in a Tv remote.
Emerald
September 20th, 2006 at 2:03 am
69“nintendo iinovates how ? putting mario to play baseball ? dance ? soocer ? is that what someone can call innovation, more zelda and metroid crap is that innovation ??? NO !”
It’s innovation if the games are GOOD and put new mechanics into the genres they go into.
“PS3 montion sensing is the idea from the EyeToy which came alot sooner then then wii gimmick.”
Hmm…. How do I put this- The Wii was starting to be made as soon as the GameCube came out. Oops. Guess that predates the EyeToy.
Plus the PS3’s sensing is more advanced than the EyeToy- THe PS3 uses motion SENSING, the EyeToy uses motion CAPTURE.
“nitnendo copy the EyeToy just put the same technology in a Tv remote. ”
Motion SENSING=/=Motion CAPTURE, fool.
Kaiser Soze
September 21st, 2006 at 4:15 pm
70When there is a discussion like abut who came up with the ideas first, no matter how you put it, Nintendo is the most original company. For starters, the invented the modern console. Sonys PSOne is a complete rip off of the nes and Supernes. Nobody can argue with that.
The PSOne controller has almost the exact same buttons as the supernes joypad, although it came 4 years later. This to is a total rip off.
The PS2 controller has two d-pads and rumble, which nintendo invented on the N-64 joypad, even though it came 4 years later. Again, a total rip off from nintendo.
Nintendo was the first to announce motion controll on their console. Then suddenly sony has dropped their boomerang joypad and their well liked build in rumble, and now has a motion sensoring joypad. Nobody can really prove that they stole Nintendo’s idea. But not even the game developes had even heard about the motion censor until 3 weeks before E3. Nobody can prove that was a rip off too, but it surely stinks.
“Shaka is right that the motion sensing was done by eyetoy first. The techniques are different, but the idea is identical.”
How about virtual reality. I think the eyetoy is a rip off from that.
Actually I dont. But that is just as stupid as to say that the Wiimote is a rip off from eyetoy.
And if it comes down to that, then Blu-ray is just a simple rip off of DVD, which is a rip off of CD, which is a rip off of LP, which is….. Etc
Lemond
September 21st, 2006 at 6:34 pm
71I had this Intel webcam that came with Eyetoy-like minigames LONG before the Eyetoy came out. That is all I have to say about that.
Lemond
September 21st, 2006 at 8:34 pm
72What was this post about originally?
Shaka
September 21st, 2006 at 9:06 pm
73‘ ‘ Kaiser Soze Says:
September 21st, 2006 at 4:15 pm
When there is a discussion like abut who came up with the ideas first, no matter how you put it, Nintendo is the most original company. ‘ ‘
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA no it isnt. and how they innovate ??
‘ ‘ I saw rumble long before nintendo had it, I saw gameconsoles long before nintendo built it, I saw platformers long before nintendo. ‘ ‘
Yeah its pathetic when the nitnendo fanboy say nintendo invented gaming. no they didnt you morons.
nintendo had his time but now it needs to grow up beacuase it totally sucks or it wil die like Sega and Atari.
Kaiser Soze
September 21st, 2006 at 9:18 pm
74I think you misunderstood my point. Disney didn’t invent cartoons either, but they sure pushed the limits like no one else. Nintendo did the same way in the 80’s and 90’s. And they did invent the joypad
“Yeah its pathetic when the nitnendo fanboy say nintendo invented gaming. no they didnt you morons.”
Who the fuck is pathetic. You claims over and over again that Sony “Invented” the body capture technology for their Eyetoy
“nintendo had his time but now it needs to grow up beacuase it totally sucks or it wil die like Sega and Atari.”
Yeah, Nintendo is really screwed at the moment, especially with their failure console, the DS. It’s propably the last thing we’ll see to Nintendo portables. On the other hand, Sony is really on top with the PSP. And thats a fact
Shaka
September 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pm
75There are already rumors that the wii is going to be the last home made console made by nintendo, they will stick to hand helds for a while and then Sony will destroy them and bye bye nintendo R.I.P.
‘ ‘ “Invented
Kaiser Soze
September 21st, 2006 at 11:05 pm
76It’s not the same idea. How is it the same idea? With eyetoy your image is on the screen and you grab non-excistent objects in the air. With the wiimote you control imagenary things with the wiimote in your hand, fx a gun, a driving wheel or a sword. How is that the same thing Shaka? How is the eyetoy and the wiimote the same thing?
Shaka
September 21st, 2006 at 11:09 pm
77Yeah the gimmick looks like it doesnt going to make much sence now. i mean hows that tv remote going to innovate in fighting games. since when you do a kick the thing dont capture but oh wait with the EyeToy yeah you can.
EyeToy>gimmick wii.
dont forget theres a new EyeTyo coming out for PS3 which will be ven tons better then the gimmcik wii.
Kaiser Soze
September 21st, 2006 at 11:12 pm
78The new Mortal Kombat: Armageddon will use the wiimote and nunchuck
Kaiser Soze
September 21st, 2006 at 11:13 pm
79Is the eyetoy gonna capture when you kick your mom in the face?
Shaka
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 am
80Mortal Kombat: Armageddon using a gimmick ? hahahaha no thanks i rather play with normal pad.
Emerald
September 22nd, 2006 at 2:48 am
81I wonder how long Shaka can keep up the “EyeToy>Wii” thing, as the EyeToy isn’t as accurate and can’t sense Z-Axis motion/tilt.
Shaka
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:06 am
82I bet the EyeToy for PS3 will do all that and much more.
The Eye of Judgment > anything you will play on that gimmick.
Emerald
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 am
83“I bet the EyeToy for PS3 will do all that and much more.”
You CAN’T use a web camera to sense Z-Axis movement and tilt, shaka. Learn how 90’s webcam technology works.
Emerald
September 24th, 2006 at 2:04 am
84“And that’s all you have to say about nintendo’s innovation. Please man, spare me, they are the least innovative company of them all.”
They invented Memory in a seperate pack, the anolog stick, the inclusion of a microphone in a controller, four slots in a console, not to mention the NEWEST innovation, the Wii.
“Talking about innovation in games/gaming is like talking about ancient times.”
Yes, because nothing new or anything has come into the world in the last year or so- Oh wait.
“And even when there is innovation, it doesnt come from nintendo. That’s why the control method of wii is so surprising. However, I doubt there will be a lot of new games for it, just mario/zelda all over again.. (Yawns in disgust)”
Because the 104 games for Wii don’t represent that at ALL. >_>
Emerald
September 24th, 2006 at 10:42 pm
85Oh yes, because they posses rudimentary knowlage of business and the gaminig industry and know that I do as well. Unlike you.
Shaka
September 25th, 2006 at 2:14 am
86‘ ‘ Talking about innovation in games/gaming is like talking about ancient times’ ‘
I agree the real innovation is in the games and we see the exmplaes the likes of Katamry Damacy,LocoRoco,GTA,Socom,Shadow of the Colossus,Okami ect.
games that revolutionay then industry and change it for ever, the games devs innovate and they dont need to stupid gimmicks to doit.
this is the real innovation,new games fresh ideas ,something nintendo has been lacking since the early 90’s.
all facts.
Emerald
September 25th, 2006 at 5:53 am
87“I agree the real innovation is in the games and we see the exmplaes the likes of Katamry Damacy,LocoRoco,GTA,Socom,Shadow of the Colossus,Okami ect”
*Sees GTA and SOCOM on the list, bursts out in loughter*
Man, calling GTA and SOCOM innovative is like calling modly bread delicious.
“games that revolutionay then industry and change it for ever, the games devs innovate and they dont need to stupid gimmicks to doit.”
Because the same style of control can create new and fresh ideas. *Bursts out laughing, along with the rest of the world*
“something nintendo has been lacking since the early 90’s.”
Oh yes, Because the awesome games and great ideas they put out are oh-so boring and stale. >_>
“all facts”
I question the intelligence of someone who confuses opinion with facts. Yet again, it is shaka.
Shaka
September 25th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
88Oh yeah Socom the game that has more online players they all the people who have signed up for xbox live and yeah GTA the game thats all about gameplay rather then graphics.
Emerald
September 26th, 2006 at 1:01 am
89“Oh yeah Socom the game that has more online players they all the people who have signed up for xbox live”
*Bursts out laughing, along with the rest of the gaming world* Oh man… That’s the biggest load of crap I’ve ever heard.
XBox live has more subscribers and users than any PS2 online game.
“just buy ps3 and be in heaven”
Or the poor house.
Emerald
September 26th, 2006 at 1:54 pm
90Because EVERYONE can spend $600 for a gaming console, especialy with only 400,000 at launch. >_>
Emerald
September 27th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
91“The big names are reconsidering the wii more btw. Most software houses think that cuz wii is hyped now, it is more prone to pass, since al wii news is so good now. But as with all hypes, it’s overrated. (doh)”
Sources? Noone can believe anything you say in that passage untill you have sources. >_>
Besides, Developers love the Wii for the same reason they love the DS- It’s cheap to develop for and has a new stile of control.
Emerald
September 29th, 2006 at 2:39 am
92Sure, you can’t understand English! Like past tense, and “Show the link you keep saying you have!”.
Shaka
September 29th, 2006 at 7:22 am
93Emerald=fails, hehe.
Zac
September 29th, 2006 at 8:08 am
94Shaks = Annoying 4 year old brat.
Zac
September 29th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
95“Emerald claims to have sources, but doesnt how. Then he goes to me and states that I must give him sources (which are just 1 google page away) buahhaha. how pathetic.”
So who’s the hypocrit, you or him?
greenthumb
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:35 am
96wow you guys are nuts why waste time with my console can kicks your ass , I see all your point though . Sony did make history with just 2 consoles people can hate on it all they want half of the fans of the Xbox started at Sony which most of their Fans came from Nintendo.or Sega Sony did bite Nintendo’ style with the ps1 but you people forget to realize that Sony made it more Grown up ,while Nintendo was like no we want fun games for kids (still alot of money to make) . this is why the ps1 or ps2 blew up , Sony listen to gamers about what type of contoller style and gameplay they would like to see . people grew up its just that mario was cool as a kid but when you grow up lol you want blood and harcore games . thats why they did so well they targeted teens . now you see that Nintendo started makin more harcore games when they saw the money sony was maken. I still like both and really all console copy each other thats a fact. if the ps1 copied Nintendo then at some poin they copied back with the Wii, because it stands up like the ps2 and has blue lights . micro did the same thang as well 360’s now stand up and have a style to them now which Sony started . companys didnt care about the look of a console until Sony came along . now look how pretty they are lmao . Sony also had a cam first ,now look at what happend the DS has one and the 360 does two. Sony took some thangs from the 360 to so i cant hate , the on off switch on the controller. really I dont care who took what when where why , I will have a Ps3 and a Wii they both look fun they only point I wanted to prove is dont hate on someone that made it just because they borrow ideas ,and add new style and make more money then you all 3 will duke it out well and add great gaming on each there no way people can say Sony ,N-ten, or Micro,Sega,Atari,colecovision, didnt innovate gaming they all did
Zac
October 2nd, 2006 at 6:49 am
97Nice post. In parts. But I won’t comment, because who cares what I say anyway.
“if the ps1 copied Nintendo then at some poin they copied back with the Wii, because it stands up like the ps2 and has blue lights”
Heh, if you say that’s copying, then you could say that every console copied a radio because radios are also box shaped.
greenthumb
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:33 am
98true that true that lol well you see were I was going all I was sayin is they all changed gaming and all bite it other we should just chill with the postin links ,and copy and paste why my console is better than yours .I know I said alot about Sony so I should state about Micro , they changed gaming alot too, with First person shooters smoove multi player games and the best online services . xbox live is doing big things and Halo shocked the world gettin a huge fan base . all in all get the best console for you lets not argue they all are great machines . the Wii looks fun , Ps3 looks like a powerhouse built for the long run , and the 360 looks like its built to last awhile with some good games . hell get all of em lmfao peace
Marquee
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:35 pm
99greenthumb stop it with ur xtra long posts man I only talk shit during work and u make it hard =P
greenthumb
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:55 am
100lmao my bad man I just like to get it all out . I will shortin them up
Jibbly
November 7th, 2006 at 2:50 am
101Seriously. Why do people think nintendo is an underdog in the console wars? Each of these companies has terrible monopolistic strategies. Microsoft doesn’t really need to be explained. Nintendo hypes every system and when it had a near monopoly with the original nintendo it abused it’s power against game developers.
Sony hypes possibly more than nintendo and the lies they spew about the competition is unreal. Remember the dreamcast people? Apparantly the playstation 2 was going to be over 10 times as strong as the cheaper dreamcast. Remember what happened with the ‘emotion engine’? The playstation 2 has a 294 mhz processor while the dreamcast has a 200 mhz processor. Now that is awfully close isn’t it? Let’s not forget the dreamcast had 480p capability(playstation 2 lacked this) and the dreamcast was cheaper and came over a year earlier. Look at some dreamcast games and you’ll see that they are pretty close in quality to the ps2 if not nearly identical.
Overall I must say that you must only really believe in the quality of a product after trying it out after a good 6-7 months after it comes out when companies are starting to produce good stuff. The only system that is proven right now is the xbox 360. In a year we’ll see which system is the true victor in this console war.
yosh
November 11th, 2006 at 1:17 am
102thick thick people if you read it up 2x BD is 72mbps
James Frew
November 11th, 2006 at 10:50 am
103“thick thick people if you read it up 2x BD is 72mbps”
Tard
James Frew
November 11th, 2006 at 10:53 am
104Thats mega BITS! Divide by 8 to get bytes…
Zac
November 12th, 2006 at 3:17 am
105“thick thick people if you read it up 2x BD is 72mbps”
“Thats mega BITS! Divide by 8 to get bytes…”
Hahaha. Nice.
sony ps3 owner
November 24th, 2006 at 7:04 am
106zac you are the suck !!!!!!
Zac
November 28th, 2006 at 7:41 am
107lol. Your name says it all.
Aams
March 24th, 2007 at 5:39 am
108Man, you ppl who are giving Shaka a hard time are just been a bunch of d*cks. Just coz his english is bad, you choose to interpret his sentences wrongly even though you know what he really means to say. Everyone will always have opinions about game consoles. The guys dissing sony are no doubt the pricks standing in line for 10+ hours on the PS3 launch date. Only to sell it for 1,000 dollars ofcourse. heh. But to call yourselves fans of some other gamign system and then take a day off work so you can stand in line for something you “supposedly” don’t even want…. hah… thats just been a hypocrite. Or do you people love money so much that you would be willing to sell your wives and kids. You people disgust me. Sheesh!
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