Ever since E3 the bad news has been poring in around Sony’s PS3, and Sony boss Ken Kutaragi is finally admitting that they are trailing behind in “hardware strength”, as he puts it.
“If you asked me if Sony’s strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true.”
So if someone “asked” Kutaragi straight up, he’d say “Well, we’re screwed at the moment”. But not word for word, instead he’d use marketing lingo and it would sound more like this: “I guess certain hardware complications has made us reconsider our marketing strategy”. Good job Kenny-san.
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Tags: Business, Offbeat
100 Responses
Flame sucks
September 10th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
1No but see I respect that. It takes lots of guts to admit if something’s jacked up about your company.
Kaiser Soze
September 10th, 2006 at 10:09 pm
2Come on Shaka. Turn this into good news
RisingSunofNihon
September 10th, 2006 at 10:57 pm
3So there are certain hardware “complications” with the PS3, but Sony’s still scheduled to release the unit on time in Japan and the U.S.? Well, I hope they work those complications out because I don’t want to end up with a $650 (or whatever) paperweight!
Says:
September 10th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
4“No but see I respect that. It takes lots of guts to admit if something’s jacked up about your company.”
Heh.
Kaiser Soze
September 10th, 2006 at 11:08 pm
5Actually, I’d say it requires more guts to say everything is in fine order with the PS3. Or everything progresses as planned. That would be a lousy april fools joke in september. What will happen after they have selled the 500.000 units they have shipped? Will they leave the market for Nintendo and Microsoft until they can ship another 100K of PS3, sometime in january or february?
Zac
September 11th, 2006 at 2:45 am
6“If you asked me if Sony’s strength in hardware was in decline, right now I GUESS I would have to say that MIGHT be true.
imbrandon
September 11th, 2006 at 6:26 am
7A few typo’s it seems
“Well, /we’re/ screwed at the moment
eialba
September 11th, 2006 at 7:56 am
8Hey Armin,
Posting this here, I hope, gives me the best chance of you reading this. This is in regards to your comment on kotaku about the 360/ps3 price check. You said that consumers can choose to get HD-DVD for the 360, but are stuck getting the Blu-ray player for the PS3. There’s a critical error in that assessment.
The HD-DVD player is unable to play gaming discs - only movies. With the 360, you’re stuck playing games on the DVD standard. The Blu-ray player plays gaming discs - on Blu-ray discs. So for the true gamer, there is every reason to get a Blu-ray gaming machine because how can the 360 compete when it can ONLY use DVD discs?
peyote
September 11th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
98. eialba Says:
September 11th, 2006 at 7:56 am
There’s a critical error in that assessment.
The HD-DVD player is unable to play gaming discs - only movies. With the 360, you’re stuck playing games on the DVD standard. The Blu-ray player plays gaming discs - on Blu-ray discs. So for the true gamer, there is every reason to get a Blu-ray gaming machine because how can the 360 compete when it can ONLY use DVD discs?
peyote
September 11th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
10–continued from above
imo, the major error for PS3 gaming, is the read speed of BD-discs over xbox 360’s dvd discs. All that extra data stored on Blu-Ray means nothing if you gotta’ make coffe everytime you load a game. there’s plenty of articles discussing this & i’m sure there will be work-arounds (ie. cache files on HD), but for now it looks like load times will be dog-*ss slow for PS3. just my thought on that eialba.
grandmarquee1
September 11th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
11lol shaka no where to be found…just like those missing blue diodes eehehehe…
eialba
September 11th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
12Peyote,
Lay off the peyote. While load times are a problem, even now, if the gaming experience proves to be a huge step up from what is available now, gamers will grumble but they’ll play.
Madd Gamer
September 11th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
13tell ‘em, eialba!
Flame sucks
September 12th, 2006 at 12:32 am
14WHERE’S SHAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Zac
September 12th, 2006 at 12:51 am
15shaka’s in bed dreaming of ps3’s with Wiimote controllers
Shaka
September 12th, 2006 at 6:32 am
16This is good news i mean just some minor problems with Blu-Ray after all its the latest technology which ic far better then hd-dvd.
this is good news beacuase Sony cares about their costumers they are working hard trying to provibe the best PS3 possible without any bugs ,(this is not microsoft ,frezing games,killing disk,overheating,burning down houses ect.)
Sony know people are going to pay top dollars for this bad boys so everything is on track still we got a few months ago we got TGS with the biggest flors for Sony and Square to show off some of the power on the PS3.
After TGS and videos of Devil May Cry 4 and Residnet Evil 5 running on PS3 everybody will go wanna get a PS3 for the holidays.
Back to the topic the articule is really biased i hope this isnt turning into the next joystiq beacuase if i see more of that im of here two.
Dont hate on Sony PS3 for being the best.
Kaiser Soze
September 12th, 2006 at 9:01 am
17Note to digitalbattle.com
Why are you such PS3 haters? Grow up, or else Shaka is going to leave this site for good…………. What was that? My heart stopped beating. Maybe it was because I laughed my guts out on the floor, who knows?
Zac
September 12th, 2006 at 9:10 am
18not haters… just replying to idiotic comments
Tobias Dahl
September 12th, 2006 at 10:15 am
19Kaiser Soze: We’re not PS3 haters, there’s just nothing positive to write about Sony and the PS3 these days. If there are, please show us
Kaiser Soze
September 12th, 2006 at 1:44 pm
20Exactly Zac. Anybody out there who think that i meant that comment about PS3 haters, I was just joking. The fact is, it’s been a long time ago since Sony had some good news, I know. I remember E3 2005. That was a huge success for sony, and it started a lot of positive hype about the PS3. But the last couple of months have been harsh to Shak… I mean Sony.
Tobias Dahl: Just quote Shaka. There’s your good news, supposedly… LOL
Zac
September 12th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
21“But the last couple of months have been harsh to Shak… I mean Sony.”
lol
Shaka
September 12th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
22It’s the people on the internet who wants to think there isnt any good news for Sony, blah like i havent heard that before.
its like people cant think for them selfs anymore they hear something and they just repeat it.
Kaiser Soze
September 12th, 2006 at 11:44 pm
23“It’s the people on the internet who wants to think there isnt any good news for Sony, blah like i havent heard that before.
its like people cant think for them selfs anymore they hear something and they just repeat it.”
Even my pets is laughing
dominant
September 12th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
24shaka,
you don’t even know that blu-ray is better than hd-dvd b/c there hasn’t even been enough time to determine that. you are just a sony fanboy that is going to promote anything sony.
i’m gonna laugh when you have a $600 ps3 that uses blu-ray a technology that failed because your ever loving sony brand was too arrogant to use good judgement and wait until 1 format was chosen.
Shaka
September 13th, 2006 at 4:21 am
25dominant,
hd-dvd= 15gb per layer.
Blu-Ray=25gb per layer.
almost double.
Zac
September 13th, 2006 at 4:42 am
26larger capacity doesn’t mean better.
from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Specifications):
“The primary rival to Blu-ray is HD DVD, championed by Toshiba, NEC Corporation, Microsoft, and Intel. HD DVD has lower disc capacity (30 GB vs 50 GB), but currently (as of 2006) benefits from correspondingly lower manufacturing costs for both pre-recorded (ROM) and recordable media. In addition, since no Blu-ray movie titles have shipped on 50 GB dual-layer discs, HD DVD actually features more real-world capacity (30 GB vs. 25 GB). Blu-ray detractors believe that the 50 GB disc is unlikely to ever be cost effective, while Blu-Ray proponents expect BD media manufacturing costs to approach those of HD DVD, once production volume has ramped. All Blu-ray movies currently released (as of 2006) have been on single-layer 25 GB discs. Sony’s goal is to reach the standard of 50 GB dual-layer discs capable of storing four hours of high-definition MPEG-2 video content, but up to this point in time the cost of mass producing dual-layer Blu-ray discs has been too high. Alternatively, studios releasing movies on Blu-ray may choose to switch to VC-1 or H.264/AVC in the future, allowing four hours of high-definition content to fit on a single layer BD disc.
In terms of audio/video compression, Blu-ray and HD DVD are similar on the surface: both support MPEG-2, VC-1, and H264 for video compression, and Dolby Digital (AC-3), PCM, and DTS for audio compression. All Blu-ray movies currently released (as of 2006) use MPEG-2 (the standard currently used in DVDs), whereas most HD DVDs currently released (as of 2006) use the much newer VC-1. Blu-ray proponents point out that Blu-ray permits a higher maximum video-bitrate, as well as potentially higher average bitrates (due to greater total disc-capacity.) In terms of audio, there are greater differences. Blu-ray allows conventional AC-3 audiotracks at 640 kbit/s, which is higher than DVD/HD DVD’s maximum, 448 kbit/s. On the other hand, Dolby Digital Plus support is mandatory for standalone HD DVD players at a maximum of 3 Mbit/s, while only optional for BD players and capped at 1.7 Mbit/s.”
grandmarquee1
September 13th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
27What would be funny is (and I’m only making this shit up) if they came out with dual layer HD-dvd disk and it would be even larger than blu-ray one.
This is just me making shit up.
Zac
September 14th, 2006 at 12:53 am
28lol there already IS duel layer HD-DVD.
HD-DVD’s are cheaper to make though
wikipedia knows everything
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 6:25 am
29hd-dvd is cheaper to make beacuase you get what you pay for.
15gb per layer ??? plz 25gb per layer is the real deal.
Blu-Ray for the win.
Zac
September 14th, 2006 at 6:32 am
30nah it’s not cheaper to pay for when you pay the extra for space that MOST things won’t use.
“no Blu-ray movie titles have shipped on 50 GB dual-layer discs, HD DVD actually features more real-world capacity (30 GB vs. 25 GB). Blu-ray detractors believe that the 50 GB disc is unlikely to ever be cost effective”
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 6:43 am
31Yes it will use them, see Java is supporting Blu-Ray and they said they are planing to add mini-games to the Blu-Ray movies thanks to the extra storage.
this cant be possible on hd-dvd.
Zac
September 14th, 2006 at 6:47 am
32ROFL
since when do minigames take up 5gb?
since movies will come with minigames, you don’t need your ps3 anymore! harrah!
all for the price of a more expensive movie (compared to HD-DVD)
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 7:09 am
33hd-dvd movies are more expensive actually.
i know Java and everybody surporting Blu-Ray will make good use of the Store in Blu-Ray disks its a matter of time.
oh yeah and dont forget PS3 games too.
Maybe they can make a game double bigger then oblivion but you know without the horrible load times you see on the xbox 360.
Zac
September 14th, 2006 at 7:37 am
34more expensive? post your proof.
it’s a fact that more companies are supporting HD-DVD than are supporting blue-ray.
“oh yeah and dont forget PS3 games too.” hard to remember it’s a game console isn’t it? with all the extra crap they’re forcing you to buy.
you don’t need huge space to make a good game. just incase you didn’t know.
eialba
September 14th, 2006 at 8:19 am
35Why are you guys fighting about this anymore? Nintendo just announced Wii prices and it’s around 200 dollars! Wii FTW!!!
p.s. don’t hold me to the 200 dollar sticker price. It’s the latest, most officialest thing from Nintendo, but it might only be for Japan, though I haven’t heard of them pricing differently for other countries on consoles.
eialba
September 14th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
36Damn it all to hell! It’s 250 in the U.S. because of the included Wii Sports. I told you not to hold me to that price…
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
37‘ ‘ it’s a fact that more companies are supporting HD-DVD than are supporting blue-ray.’ ‘
LMAO!!!
link pls.
‘ ‘ Wii FTW!!! ‘ ‘
No wii sucks.
eialba
September 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
38“No wii sucks.”
Say it when you play it.
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 6:30 pm
39No need to its a patethic idea and a horrible name. and a complete rip off.
eialba
September 14th, 2006 at 6:39 pm
40We’ll see.
Shaka
September 14th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
41I guess will do.
nintendo power glove=failiture.
nintendo virtual boy=failture.
nintendo tv remote with eyetoy technology=going to fail.
nintendo isnt googd with gimmicks.
eialba
September 14th, 2006 at 11:07 pm
42NES - fun to play
SNES - fun to play
N64 - fun to play
GC - fun to play
Wii - ???
Nintendo has been good at providing entertaining video games. Period.
You might be right that Wii isn’t going to be fun. But based on everything I’ve heard so far from everyone that’s used it - I would say the opposite is more likely to be true.
Zac
September 15th, 2006 at 3:14 am
43Shaka get over your Eye-Toy crap.
The Eye-Toy (appropriatly named) uses a CAMERA to see players, and is unrelyable.
The Wii, on the other hand uses precise 3D positioning technology.
The Wii tech is every way better than the Eye-Toy, except in you can’t see yourself on the screen - which on most cases is a good thing.
Marquee
September 17th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
44hey shaka u forgot to mention ROB teh NES robot. u were probally to young to know what that was.
Just going over some of ur posts how ur really flaming the Wii but, just tell why is SONY trying to do a shitty rip off of the Wii’s controller? They see ninteno being there real competition in Japan (where the Wii/DS will be champ.)
Shaka
September 17th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
45NES - kinda kool to play.
SNES - kool.
N64 - kool 3d games but horrible experience and lame boring games for kids only.
GC - without a doubt the worst game machine ever created no wonder it only sold like 12 million and even the rockie at video games microfost out sold his a$$ hahahahahahaha.
Wii - this will mean the end for nintendo and that cheap bastard company that only cares about $$$$ and making money in their products since day one.
Emerald
September 17th, 2006 at 11:20 pm
46“NES - kinda kool to play.
SNES - kool.
N64 - kool 3d games but horrible experience and lame boring games for kids only..”
Because OOT, and Mario 64, the games that, you know, STARTED 3d gaming, were so totaly lame that they got near-perfect scores in every publication.
“GC - without a doubt the worst game machine ever created no wonder it only sold like 12 million and even the rockie at video games microfost out sold his a$$ hahahahahahaha.”
If I could understand what you SAID there, I might eb able to reply.
“Wii - this will mean the end for nintendo and that cheap bastard company that only cares about $$$$ and making money in their products since day one”
Yes, because Sony DEEPLY cares for their customers over money.
…
*Bursts out laughing*
I’m sorry, I can’t say that with a straight face.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 2:30 am
47Both OOT & Mario 64 are kinda kool well oot was kool,but mario 64 was lame. it was a good trend to give it good scores though.
and yeah microsoft a software company totally new in gaming.
outsold the 20 years old nintendo.
now that was pathetic but when you have someting like the game cube,well no wonder.
eialba
September 18th, 2006 at 2:58 am
48Shaka,
Microsoft isn’t new to gaming. Ever heard of Microsoft Game Studios? They’ve been making games for PC for a long time. Decades.
They might be new to console gaming, but they aren’t new to making smart business decisions. They also aren’t afraid to spend a lot of money on getting a chunk of the market. It is one of the reasons they were able to create a presence in this past generation. I’m glad, too. it’s nice to see someone else in the game. And now Microsoft is very much a competitor in yet another key market.
But, come on, you can’t be serious about hating on Nintendo so much. They are so concerned about providing entertainment to gamers, that it’s hard to hold any rancor against them. Release yours. It will make you feel better. Promise.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 3:34 am
49I dont hate anything i post facts and when i heard something like nintendo is going to make money out of your A$$ses since launch games and console i can see now much of cheap bastards they are.
i dont support pricks like that, they are bunch of lamers and i can believe people still support them and cant get past their pity they feel for nintendo.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 3:59 am
50“I dont hate anything i post facts”
Uh no, you post whatever you FEEL like posting. You haven’t
.”..and when i heard something like nintendo is going to make money out of your A$$ses since launch games and console i can see now much of cheap bastards they are.”
Right. It’s NOT like the object of a company is to MAKE MONEY. Oh no. >_>
But Nintendo only makes about $20-$30 per console, which is good, but it’s not lie you said it is.
“i dont support pricks like that, they are bunch of lamers and i can believe people still support them and cant get past their pity they feel for nintendo.”
The only pricks are the people who still think the PS3 is revolutionary.
“OHH EMM GEEZE! BETTAR GRAPHICS AND TACKED ON LESS ADVANCED MOTION SENSING IS TEH WAY OF THE FUTURE FOR ONLY $599!!!”
Wow. I’m SURE that Sony’s amazing stratigy of providing the staggering number 400,000 units WORLD WIDE for launch day, manufacturing problems, reliance on brand new technology that may be Betamax all over again, and the brilliant plan of selling games for $60-$100? Wow. That’s REALLY a revolution ovoer a brand new way to play games. >_>
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 4:44 am
51innovation is overated.
i want a PS3 beacuase it will offer the best games.
its not about power.
its not about innovation or stupid gimmicks.
its about games, and what console will have the best games.
Sony PS3.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 4:49 am
52“innovation is overated.”
Yes, because everyone wants to do the same things over and over and over..
“i want a PS3 beacuase it will offer the best games.
its not about power.
its not about innovation or stupid gimmicks.
its about games, and what console will have the best games.
Sony PS3.”
Uh, if you’re going by what has thh best games, then the Wii/XBox 360’s allready leagues ahead of the PS3.
The only gimmick here is Sony’s marketing stratigy and the tacked-on motion sensing of the PS3.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 5:22 am
53‘ ‘ Yes, because everyone wants to do the same things over and over and over.. ‘ ‘
This we all agree with dont want to continue been playing 25 year old franchasises so plz no more mario,zelda,metroid ect, right we dont want the same over and over.
‘ ‘Uh, if you’re going by what has thh best games, then the Wii/XBox 360’s allready leagues ahead of the PS3. ‘ ‘
Theres a reason why the PS2 outsells the xbox 360 and thats beacuase the games in the xbox 360 are lame and they suck.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 5:28 am
54“This we all agree with dont want to continue been playing 25 year old franchasises so plz no more mario,zelda,metroid ect, right we dont want the same over and over.”
Square’s done Final Fantasy. Grand Truismo, Metal Gear Solid?
“Theres a reason why the PS2 outsells the xbox 360 and thats beacuase the games in the xbox 360 are lame and they suck. ”
Really, so Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto,Final Fantasy(To name a few) all suck?
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 6:34 am
55‘ ‘ Square’s done Final Fantasy. Grand Truismo, Metal Gear Solid? ‘ ‘
Square is third party and so is Konami.
lets see this
second parties vs. seconds parties.
nintendo vs. SCE (Sony computer entertaiment)
what new franchasises did nintendo put out this gen. pinkim ? anyting else worth mentioning,no but yeah mario plays fotbal,baseball,soccer,tennis,racing ect.
nintendo already ran out of ideas, put mario in a sport game and sell it to the fanboys.
eialba
September 18th, 2006 at 8:08 am
56Even if what you say is true about last generation’s third party support for Nintendo, from now on it can only increase. Its a much easier platform to code for, and chances of making a profit are better.
Playstation 3 will likely lose out on third party support, at least at the beginning. It’s much harder to code for than Wii or 360, and few people will have it for a while because of limited supply and cost.
As for Nintendo using Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. again. It’s difficult to find fault in a strategy that has consistently been shown to work. Using past recognized franchises to encourage growth in customer base isn’t limited to video games. It’s seen in many business sectors. Films, TV shows, books, and music all try to incorporate some well-known and reputable actor/critic/guest musician, etc. to attract people to a product. There’s nothing wrong with doing it. Microsoft does it and Sony does it. And both companies would tell you that it’s crazy not to use it if you have the ability to use it. And boy does Nintendo have the ability.
People across America are salivating at the thought of being able to control Link’s, Samus’s, and Mario’s destinies once again. And yes, people are also salivating about seeing PS3 in action.
Zac
September 18th, 2006 at 12:29 pm
57shaka says: “when i heard something like nintendo is going to make money out of your A$$ses since launch games and console i can see now much of cheap bastards they are.”
*imagines shaka starting a company and selling items for less then he himself buys them for*
good idea shaka. way to get a business going.
the REASON sony and ms are selling their systems at a loss, is because they market penetration. if they sold them at their real price, less people would be able to afford them. so they sell them at a loss, losing money, but hoping to make that money back with the games they sell.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
58“Square is third party and so is Konami.”
Your point? That doesn’t excuse them from being compared.
“lets see this
second parties vs. seconds parties.
nintendo vs. SCE (Sony computer entertaiment)”
…Nintendo and Sony are FIRST parties, Shaka.
“what new franchasises did nintendo put out this gen. pinkim ? anyting else worth mentioning,no but yeah mario plays fotbal,baseball,soccer,tennis,racing ect.”
It doesn’t matter as long as it’s fun, Shaka.
What did Sony come up with- Oh yeah, that’s right, they don’t MAKE games.
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
59”As for Nintendo using Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. again. It’s difficult to find fault in a strategy that has consistently been shown to work.”
Might I say: ”lol?”
Eehm, I hope you know for a fact that n64 AND gamecube has made losses and lost marketshare in comparisson to ps1/2 and xbox. The only reason Nintendo is still here because of gameboys and pokemons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7etc.
Obviously the ‘old and trusted’ aproach on home consoles hasnt worked for Nintendo as they lost the last console war big time. The Wii is their only chance of getting a piece of their marketshare back. Why do you think they go budget this time? They couldnt afford the heavy R&D / chips for a next gen console. They innovate because they have no alternative and got less money/knowhow.
Though, I won’t buy a wii-nestation due to obvious reasons; kiddy games + dead remote arm is not my thing (the wii fanboys made me say it!), I do like that nintendo is trying innovate this time and is trying to be cheap. It’s a good thing and I hope some of it will rub off to the rest of the console world/games.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
60Oh yay, some non-Shaka oppostion! I heart you, doom.
“Might I say: ‘’lol?’’
Eehm, I hope you know for a fact that n64 AND gamecube has made losses and lost marketshare in comparisson to ps1/2 and xbox. The only “reason Nintendo is still here because of gameboys and pokemons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7etc.”
The GameCube has lost marketshare- But the GBA and DS has still gotten the handheld market, not to mention stellar sales.
But the real reason Nintendo’s here is because it makes good games, and better hardware.
“Obviously the ‘old and trusted’ aproach on home consoles hasnt worked for Nintendo as they lost the last console war big time. The Wii is their only chance of getting a piece of their marketshare back. Why do you think they go budget this time? They couldnt afford the heavy R&D / chips for a next gen console. They innovate because they have no alternative and got less money/knowhow.”
Actualy, ins an interveiw Genyo Takeda said: “This may sound paradoxical, but if we had followed the existing Roadmaps we would have aimed to make it “faster and flashier.
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
61You just named 2!.. games, of which one is a very very old playstation game:P
I should try to find some research in the average age of a gc player, but as it’s common knowledge most gc gamers are well, younger. Ofcourse this is not a bad thing, it’s just another market. I was just joking around. But as I’m 22 I feel more attracted to xbox / ps3.
(I do still like the transformers, so shoot me:P)
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 6:24 pm
62Oh, I just saw that u posted more stuff on my stuff, ah i see. You annotate a president of nintendo corporation as a viable resource.
You dear sir, art a fanboy.
”It’s not that Nintendo doesn’t have the R&D to develop new graphics, it’s that it’s not efficient, due to the cost and gain of graphics.”
So if I get this straight and you believe G. Takeda, they didnt invest in graphics because they thought it wouldnt gain them anything? So logically they left it out of the budget? Instead of adding it on as well, since you (and him) make it seem like it was an effortless thing to accomplish.
As for the R&D thing, ofcourse nintendo has less $$ than sony and ms. It’s not that costly to devise a new control system as it is to do new hardware. Anyone knows that. The wii isnt using that advanced technology, how else would they make profit on their launch / box and do the first vids look like .. well dunno, pc games from like 6 years back.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
63“Oh, I just saw that u posted more stuff on my stuff, ah i see. You annotate a president of nintendo corporation as a viable resource.
You dear sir, art a fanboy.”
Uh, he is not a president of anything.Please do your research before commenting.
Oh no, I just hate the PS2 witha passion. I’m not against the XBox 360 in any way, but the PS3 can go to hell.
“So if I get this straight and you believe G. Takeda, they didnt invest in graphics because they thought it wouldnt gain them anything? So logically they left it out of the budget? Instead of adding it on as well, since you (and him) make it seem like it was an effortless thing to accomplish.”
It’s not an effortless thing to accomplish, and neither I nor him even implied that. In fact, I said that the cost of making bettor graphics
“As for the R&D thing, ofcourse nintendo has less $$ than sony and ms. It’s not that costly to devise a new control system as it is to do new hardware. Anyone knows that.”
Wrong. Check Nintendo’s financial status lately?
Oh, and the new control scheme IS new hardware. The Wiimote is using more advanced controling technology than any other console on the market today, and that is a fact. Though it is less costly, that’s a good thing, because as Genyo Takeda said, the cost of developing new graphical hardware, along with the current market trend in return sales for the Gen6 consoles, is not worth it.
The only way to make both more profits and better games is to go off the current “Roadmap” for gaminig, which is better graphics and improved hardware.
“The wii isnt using that advanced technology, how else would they make profit on their launch / box and do the first vids look like .. well dunno, pc games from like 6 years back. ”
Wow, have you even SEEN Twilight Princess? Besides, advanced technology does not equal no profits.The technology is all in the lower power consumption of the Wii, less heat output, smaller size, and motion sensing. It’s cheap to make console parts, and using CPU/GPUs based on the GameCube hardware isn’t hard to make, but the R&D for any console is ungodly expensive.
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
64”Wow, have you even SEEN Twilight Princess?”
Even seen some stuff on the other consoles? Really I’m not trying to pursuade you to buy them but… maybe you should take a look and compare the visuals.. just for the heck of it :P:P:P
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
65P.S. Fanboy wahahahha!
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
66“P.S. Fanboy wahahahha!”
It’s sad when someone must resort to callings others fanboys.
Doom, you have just failed this thread.
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
67Likewise mister Emerald
I’m resorting to it because
a. I take pleasure in it. You know, fun:P
b. Your previous 3 posts had the same level in it. I was just getting on your level
P.S. sorry 2 all for my 100% crappy english today.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
68“Likewise mister Emerald”
“I’m resorting to it because
a. I take pleasure in it. You know, fun:P”
It looks like you take it much more seriously then you would have us think…
“b. Your previous 3 posts had the same level in it. I was just getting on your level”
Oh, I’m sorry, were FACTS too much for you?
“P.S. sorry 2 all for my 100% crappy english today. ”
Meh, it’s not bad. *Looks at Shaka’s posts”
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pm
69Yeah sure, facts from a nintendo spokesman. In that case I better get my ken kutagari (whatever his name) quotes out of the box as well:P Or while I’m at it, lets try some ‘facts’ from xbox who still claims their system has better benchmarks than the upcoming ps3:P
There are lies, lies and statistics. In the gaming industry, which is still extremely young, most consumers range from 5-30 years old. Agreed? Yet it makes more money than hollywood. Maybe .. and I’m just guessing here, the big software/hardware developers are trying to win us over with silly arguments.
Just look at the games, play what you like, and please please please, stop saying: my system is endlessly better! Man! My system.. teh roxxors, all ms/sony/nintendo must die xexexe and so forth.
I mean, it’s bollocks and absolutely childish as well, to fall for branding like some stupid old mcarthnian commie fearing society.
Besides, everybody knows sony is the best. STRIKE!
Best to just watch the cashflow in the game. Where money goes, so go interests.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
70“Yeah sure, facts from a nintendo spokesman.”
Do you have ANY idea who he is?
“Besides, everybody knows sony is the best. STRIKE!”
TEH OMGEEZE! GET TEH FANBOI MSSILEZ! >_>
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
71It’s sad when someone must resort to callings others fanboys.
Emerald you have just failed this thread.
Guess I’m kinda unoriginal this time around
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
72“Guess I’m kinda unoriginal this time around”
Oop. You’ve pulled a Sony.
doom
September 18th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
73”Oop. You’ve pulled a Sony. ”
Nice one…. for someone who likes mario that is.
Emerald
September 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pm
74“Nice one…. for someone who likes mario that is.”
Indeed. Indeed I do.
Shaka
September 18th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
75‘ ‘ It’s sad when someone must resort to callings others fanboys.
Doom, you have just failed this thread. ‘ ‘
Thats you man, i come posting the facts and when you got nothing to say back you and the other nintendo fanboys start calling me a fanboy.
the wii is a rip-off at that price.
nintendo says they are all about gaming and that their console is for gaming only and then they anounce a internet browser for it !
and yeah this is nintendo so dont spect nothing free or cheap.
Emerald
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:33 am
76“Thats you man, i come posting the facts and when you got nothing to say back you and the other nintendo fanboys start calling me a fanboy.”
“Facts” made up by you.
“the wii is a rip-off at that price.”
Not when it’s worth $280 being sold at $250.
“nintendo says they are all about gaming and that their console is for gaming only and then they anounce a internet browser for it !”
Beause they need to get out to to the non-gamer. Nintendo has said that it’s all about the non-gamer/Games this gen.
“and yeah this is Sony so dont spect nothing free or cheap. ”
Fixed.
doom
September 24th, 2006 at 1:56 pm
77Naaha c’mon emerald! You know as a hardcore nintendo user, that nintendo always releases plenty of extra pheripherals. Sony never asks dick. The internet adaptor by ps2 was given along with the first games that went online for just a measy 10 euros extra, the only thing they made you pay for was the mem. card. Also the backward compatibility is great ofcourse, you don’t have to throw away your old games, in fact they will be a little better even! So should you buy a ps3 and be new to the playstation, you still got thousands and thousands of budget titles at your disposal. I don’t see wii or xbox360 do that favor. Also, due to the integrated harddrive you need absolutely no addons for ps3 this time around.
As wii isn’t even released yet, I’ve already seen news of 6 different pheripherals (all with pricetags) to be launched by nintendo. So please, spare me your silly fanboy rants about sony making us pay extra and nintendo who’s like a philantophist’s ideal dreamimage.
Emerald
September 24th, 2006 at 11:10 pm
78Because it’s clear doom is degrading to shaka’s level, with his lack of research and rantings- Along with lack of paragraphs, I’ll respond with a limited amound of words.
The Sony PSP has more preheprials than than any other Nintendo product. To play DDR PS3 or Guitar PS3 you need addons. What if you get the 20 GB model and need Wi-Fi? Many people don’t have 50-foot long CAT-5 cables to connect their PS3 to when they have their modem far away from the PS3.
Need I also remind anyone of the microtransaction devil that is GT HD?
The Wii has Virtual Console. That alone has a bigger library than any PS system.
Logic has just owned doom.
Shaka
September 25th, 2006 at 1:59 am
79‘ ‘You know as a hardcore nintendo user, that nintendo always releases plenty of extra pheripherals. ‘ ‘
I agree remenber that add-on you put in the n-64 pad on the bottom, what was that for? rumble?
hahahaha cheap bastards ninty wanted to charge you extra bucks to add a useless bulky add-on to the pad so that the thing vibrates !!! what a rip-off.
‘ ‘ The Wii has Virtual Console. That alone has a bigger library than any PS system. ‘ ‘
all not true at all. pay 5$ for a nes games ???
rip-off.
you can play all the games you want on PC and this is not secret anyone who has been in the internet long enough knows about emulation and you can play all you want from atari to n-64 to dreamcast without paying dime.
so right there nintendo is doomed.
I said one and say it again this is the most pathethic idea, playing 80’s games is crap and a waste of time, specially for us who grew up with this games.
we want the new stuff.
Emerald
September 25th, 2006 at 5:56 am
80“I agree remenber that add-on you put in the n-64 pad on the bottom, what was that for? rumble?
hahahaha cheap bastards ninty wanted to charge you extra bucks to add a useless bulky add-on to the pad so that the thing vibrates !!! what a rip-off.”
And yet the PS3 HAS no rumble. Cheap bastrads.
“all not true at all. pay 5$ for a nes games ???
rip-off.”
It’s cheaper than used. It’s a good deal.
“you can play all the games you want on PC and this is not secret anyone who has been in the internet long enough knows about emulation and you can play all you want from atari to n-64 to dreamcast without paying dime.”
Oh yeah. Except it’s ILLEGAL. Way to go.
“I said one and say it again this is the most pathethic idea, playing 80’s games is crap and a waste of time, specially for us who grew up with this games.
we want the new stuff.”
Because NONE of the games released before 2001 were good at all. Lets just ignore the last 10 years, and the plethora of great games it produced, shall we? >_>
Shaka
September 25th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
81Not all games you will download on the wii beacuase alot of third parties own such games and yeah RARE now owned by microsoft hahahahahaha no banjo and killer ect. for wii.
doom
September 25th, 2006 at 10:27 pm
82Emerald likes everything ninty scoops at you. 5 dollars for 8 bit nes games FREE ON THE FUCKING INTERNET!
Omg.. I’m gonna throw up at the thought of you.
If nintendo would offer you regurerated poop toast you’d still eat it for 200 dollars a spoonful and claim it’s a true delicacy.
Refrain from ever calling others fanbois, it’s like.. dunno massochistic in a way
doom
September 25th, 2006 at 10:30 pm
83banjo and kazooie.. omg that was soo kiddy. I still can’t look my girlfriend serious in the eyeballs knowing that she actually had that once.. The horror!
eialba
September 25th, 2006 at 11:48 pm
84It’s really discouraging to hear about people who gleefully use illegal software such as emulators to play games that they would otherwise not pay money to play.
Are these the type of Americans for which our soldiers die defending? The type who steal without consideration for the people who work to provide affordable entertainment for us?
I’m not saying that I haven’t used emulators before, but I know the moral price that comes with using illegal software, and it isn’t cheap. Straighten up, guys. I have. You can, too.
Emerald
September 26th, 2006 at 12:44 am
85“Emerald likes everything ninty scoops at you. 5 dollars for 8 bit nes games FREE ON THE FUCKING INTERNET!
Omg.. I’m gonna throw up at the thought of you.”
Congratulations, you’re an idiot. Only assholes and noobs use illegal emulators and ROMs- I can’t stand it. Stealing is never okay.
“If nintendo would offer you regurerated poop toast you’d still eat it for 200 dollars a spoonful and claim it’s a true delicacy.”
Hahahaha. I love false anologies.
“banjo and kazooie.. omg that was soo kiddy. I still can’t look my girlfriend serious in the eyeballs knowing that she actually had that once.. The horror!”
…And yet it kicked so many game’s ass in terms of gameplay and graphics(at the time, mind you).
“Not all games you will download on the wii beacuase alot of third parties own such games”
But they don’t have problems with it, as shown by the 3rd party games on the VC.
“and yeah RARE now owned by microsoft hahahahahaha no banjo and killer ect. for wii.”
Rare can still give consent for it to be sold.
Shaka
September 26th, 2006 at 5:32 am
86Hey im playing Sonic for sega genesis right now and for free no need to wait for the wii and pay 5$ for it.
hahahahaha wii=useless.
Emerald
September 26th, 2006 at 5:36 am
87“Hey im playing Sonic for sega genesis right now and for free no need to wait for the wii and pay 5$ for it.”
There are those who DON’T have a Genisis, or other systems.
Fool.
doom
September 26th, 2006 at 10:52 am
88You are joking right?
”Are these the type of Americans for which our soldiers die defending? The type who steal without consideration for the people who work to provide affordable entertainment for us?”
Sorry defending who from what army? pwned
Emerald
September 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
89Never said it was army they were defending us from, fool.
Lemond
September 26th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
90Wow, double-teamed by two ranting maniacs, Emerald still keeps a level head.
Kudos, Emerald. I’m proud you’re on my side.
Kaiser Soze
September 26th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
91Doom: How can anyone encourage people to download illegal stuff on the internet. Did you know, that if you steal a DVD in a store, you haven’t spend any money on it. Stealing is FREE…
eialba
September 26th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
92“Sorry defending who from what army? pwned ”
Oh that’s right. September 11 was just a horrible, horrible nightmare.
doom
September 27th, 2006 at 3:51 am
93”Doom: How can anyone encourage people to download illegal stuff on the internet.”
If you do not do this, you are either not very bright, or you do not posses the tools (download software, big internet)
”Oh that’s right. September 11 was just a horrible, horrible nightmare. ”
Explain me how destroying 2 countries and turning them into muslim extremist breeding pits contributes to preventing the 911 attacks? give me the connection and I’ll give you the nobel prize for peace. (oh yes, the taliban is soft & enlightened compared to what humanitarian atrocities go on there now, and the 20 years before taliban)
Try and watch less fox and silly madeup news (in fact any us news, since it’s owned by the corporate world), learn to think objectively and individually apart from the big voices on your magic screen. And maybe there will yet be salvation for your intellect.
doom
September 27th, 2006 at 3:53 am
94hehe it’s so late I forgot to write this, or it just wouldnt be me….
[edit] , which you obviously do not posses at the moment.
eialba
September 27th, 2006 at 4:19 am
95“if you don’t do this, you are not very bright or do not possess the tools”
or you realize stealing is an unkind thing to do to anyone.
Doom, since you didn’t say anything more about what I implied in my statement, I suppose you acknowledge that 9/11 was caused by people who hate Americans.
I’m glad that your last two paragraphs are spot on. More Americans need to become aware of what the rest of the world knows: that the war in Iraq was wrong to begin with and is, instead of curbing terrorism, actually fostering the spread of it.
And they won’t become aware of that watching American news.
doom
September 27th, 2006 at 4:47 am
96Stealing is an ambigue word in a world where there are multinationals which posess so much power they can actually alter prices and demand to their own liking. The old rules of economy do not apply anymore with these mass companies in my opinion, so I do not feel obliged by old rules of society.
Ofcouse I wouldnt steal from small companies or individuals. But heck yeah I steal as much as I can from ea, ms, sony music blbla (ps2 was not very succesful for me:P:P). For me, megacompanies like these ruined the nice products (like 70’s films with dept or games which where hard to play or with any depth). I do not consider it stealing, because they stole the products I enjoyed first away anyway. Simply by agressive merger tactics and then banning them due to lesser cost/price effectiveness.
I understand this, money makes the world go around, but do not implore me to respect them by giving money for it. The sooner the ea’s from this world are gone, the better.
-did piracy kill uniqueness in digital media?
-did lack of uniqueness stimulate piracy?
I’m inclined for the latter, since piracy has always been there and the industries only grew from it’s starting point. So, the first argument is total bollox imo. The gaming industry is still growing every year, and they are saying WE are responsible for lack of originality? Riiight, sure. Tell it to the people who pay 40-60 bucks for a game that is finished in 2 days, then have to buy another. I am proud to steal as much digital media as I can. Sometimes I buy though, when I really like a game, or band. I call it an achilles heel of mine:P
eialba
September 27th, 2006 at 6:01 am
97Hmmm, that was very interesting, Doom. I feel the same way about large companies that pride themselves on succeeding in the cutthroat business world. Especially global corporations like Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Wal-Mart, and Nike embody that ruthless spirit of greedy that elicits zero pity from me. Even so, I can’t help feeling bad about stealing from them. It isn’t because I feel bad about hurting them, it’s because I feel bad about the consumer. Whenever companies stand to lose money, they pass off costs to the consumer by raising prices. I would feel bad if my actions in any way contributed to a raise in prices for consumers. I can just imagine a mom refusing to spend money on video games for her little boy or girl because they cost too much. I remember very much how hard it was to convince my parents to buy me my first console, the SNES, when I was a kid.
In the large picture, I think I agree with you. Large companies are evil and should be banished from the earth, unless they are more socially conscious. I can’t say I condone using tactics such as stealing to bring that around, but I agree with the idea.
Shaka
September 27th, 2006 at 7:09 am
98Emulation is no way in hell stealing not at all emulation rocks!
And thanks to Emu i dont have to pat 5$ for games that are really worth like 5c max.
Emerald
September 27th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
99So, shaka, ignoring your lack of copyright law, you enjoy theivery and illegal activities? I also suppose you like killing people and fraud, then?
doom
September 27th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
100”It isn’t because I feel bad about hurting them, it’s because I feel bad about the consumer. Whenever companies stand to lose money, they pass off costs to the consumer by raising prices. I would feel bad if my actions in any way contributed to a raise in prices for consumers.”
Indeed, a strong point there. It depends on how you look at it. You feel responsible for the higher price companies will let the average consumer pay due to piracy, I think the price would have been too high too start with (in respect to quality)
but you really have a strong argument there, and it’s just which way you choose.
Then again, I’m doing something illegal and you are not.
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